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« on: November 03, 2007, 05:56:17 PM »

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Honest opinions only, please.

edit: also, if you're only gonna watch the first 15 minutes don't bother commenting.
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2007, 10:05:24 PM »

i guess a one world government would be a decided improvement for the majority of the world, however, for us who have had all these civil liberties all our lives, we can just hope we get to hold onto as many of them as we can.

there are three civil liberties that i don't think i would be able to live with out, right to worship/believe in what i currently believe, live and work where i want, and most importantly associate with whom ever i want, example choose who i marry, but i've done that already and i wouldn't want my children to miss out on all that.

in my opinion rfid tag = bad idea unless you are an actual criminal

so we just need to watch what we say, and type, not give any reason for suspicion of "terrorism"
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 12:36:41 AM »

Ok, I skimmed through parts of this and just wanted to point out one potential flaw in their logical argument towards Christ being a plagiarized sun god from the Egyptian Beliefs. 

The narrator claims that 15 centuries (1500 years) before Christ the Egyptians have writings about  immaculate conception through the holy ghost, and then the birth of Jores (spelling?).  If I remember correctly Joseph was sold into Egypt sometime around 1600 years before Christ.  One could argue that the Egyptians may have adapted their beliefs around those preached by Joseph (a Hebrew who was favored by Pharos and may have taught of the coming of Christ) and not pulled them from astrological thought/beliefs/teachings. 

Of course you could never prove it, but because of the position Joseph held amongst the Egyptians where he prophesied of seasons of plenty and then seasons of drought it is a solid assumption that the Egyptians may have accepted many of his personal beliefs.  The "similarities" between the Egyptian and Christian Religions could even be used to argue that this was in fact the case.     While the Jews as an entire people did not accept Christ as a Savior, individual Jews were his disciples and he continually pointed to Hebrew scriptures that prophesied of his coming. 

I also don't believe that a story referencing something BEFORE ancient worlds was plagiarized because multiple different ancient worlds have similar stories. 


Also, it doesn't seem that they talked to any real economists when researching the national banking system.  The Economic theory behind lending and controlling money is much more complicated then they made out and used by almost all nations today.  I would classify their explanation as a half truth but do remember a more full and complete explanation in my economics courses.  Unfortunately, I don't remember the details well enough to explain it all here.  Also, the gold standard existed until 1968 but in a federal organized manner.  This had more to do with the complicated dynamics of World Markets than other factors, and those same dynamics is what eventually lead to a non gold backing of each dollar.  Technically, you could take any dollar to a federal storehouse until the end of the Bretton Woods system and exchange it for the equivalent weighed in gold/silver.  The movie skipped all those details for some reason, but they do play an important part in understanding why money is no longer backed by precious metals.  And The Federal Reserver has to be separated from the Government, other wise you'd have situations like those that have happened in the Philippines and other nations where the Government demands increase in the output of money to meet their spending needs... Essentially making the "value" of the money worthless.

I'm not a legal expert by any means but from my political science backing and brief reading of this explanation of Income tax law does exist as it is a condition of an act passed by congress in 1913 called the 16th Ammendment.

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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


 Additionally, as our government is a living and changing government they can essentially give themselves the power to do anything as long as no other branch questions the legality/constitutionality of the established acts/bills.  Its why the President has as many powers today as he does.  No one wants to challenge him on them to only to potentially create a ruling that states they do in fact have that right.  So, in tradition of common law (and why this first successful suit against a file trader by the RIAA is so important) as soon as one person lost/losses a law case against not paying their income tax, the legal precedent will be established and all future legal cases in similar situations will have to follow the ruling of that case.   

Oh, and yes I agree - the Patriot Act is crap...  It seriously needs to be amended/adjusted/or removed.

Ikono, what are your thoughts?

I'll watch more when I have some free time.  Interesting, but a bit biased in their educational approach. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 01:29:23 AM »

part I:

religion will make people do some crazy things. it's so easy to see ancient civilizations start mapping the night sky and making up stories to understand them better. retelling these stories generation after generation. bolstering them up. perhaps throwing in a few facts for the skeptics. but all in all, tall tales. i think it's interesting how a few facts can be spun into so many different religions.

but even more so, i like the idea of astrology being the beginning of all religion. it shows how desperate of a species we truly are. finding a constant in our pitiful little world. grabbing onto it and pillaging it for all it's worth. there may or may not be a higher power out there, up there, else where. i don't think anyone on Earth will ever know for sure.


part II:

i don't want to seem like a loon. but i'm skeptic on both sides. it's sad i can't trust my government. i KNOW they're not smart enough to plan something of that magnitude and keep it under wraps, but they sure as hell didn't stop it. period.


part III:

i'm very untrusting of banks. denying their power then or now is just futile. overwhelming power. i've heard of bank moguls pressuring for the 16th amendment. buying off whoever. i'm glad latro of all people was one to talk about this. you're probably one of the few here who would really know anything about this section. i watched this section with a grain of salt, but for the most part just smiling and nodding. i'll probably watch this a few more times with some pause/research goin' on.

and wtf is this North American Union? so bizarre.

i'm pretty scatter-brained. i tried to keep thoughts on track... but... yeah.

it's late.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 11:08:34 AM »

hahahahah oh man.. this is awesome.. people need to get it right. im god. duh!! come on people.. open your eyes.. im right here. Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 12:16:21 PM »

I also didn't really think they took the best approach. They're push on religious history and the roles religion play in the turmoil of the world will most likely turn off anyone from seriously listening to their second point which to me was more valid.  yes we need to watch our government and do our best to ensure they keep good qualities and avoid the bad.
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 08:04:49 PM »

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, THERES SCARY NOISES IN THE FIRST COUPLE SECONDS , THATS EVIL VOODOO RIGHT THERE.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2007, 03:44:21 AM »

...And their ideas would almost be credible, had they used these crazy things called "facts", but oh wait I forgot, those are made to control the masses.

Anyone who actually thought this movie is reasonably intelligent, should look into "The Christ Conspiracy"- by some retarded author. It's the exact same thing, with the exact same horrible inaccuracies. Horus and Attis have those attributes huh? Interesting, that Horus had none of those attributes. But then again, if someone has never studied mythology outside of school, they wouldn't know that, and when they watch our stupid movie they'll just accept it as fact.

I don't want to offend you, but if you think 9/11 was an "inside job", you're a f***ing idiot.

This is on the Level of Dan Brown, but worse.

My disappointment can't be put into words, but perhaps Star Trek will give us some answers.....

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2007, 07:57:59 AM »

hmmm, wouldnt it be a whole lot easier if one of these so called "gods" could just appear and say im a god and shoot fire from his finger tips or something and then everyone could worship him and there would be no doubt and cause all the death and other crap around the world? seems alot easier to me.
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2007, 09:03:07 AM »

Careful what ya wish for.  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2007, 03:25:34 PM »

I love america.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2007, 05:03:03 PM »

I love america.

and america loves hot dogs.. and baseball of course.
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2007, 07:44:53 PM »

I love the Isle of Man. No reason, I just kinda do.  Cactuar left    <---- Police
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