Discuss: Higher Level Admin Policy

[Labyrinthine]

Okay, this was not popular at all, let's hammer it out.
The first change I propose is that extra donations will cary over into further months. Also, ALL admin changes will be made at the beginning of the next billing cycle. That should cut down on the management nightmare.

I also removed demoting all current admins to deputy.

All of this is flexible, so let's hammer it out.


Higher Level Admins
Providing you have had admins for at least 30 days and have been promoted from 'Noob' to 'Deputy' level and are in good standing, you are eligible to purchase higher level admins.God admins excluded. All the aforementioned policy still applies to higher level admins.

Conditions of purchase
This purchase is monthly, lasting from the beginning to the end of one billing cycle.
If you do not donate for the following billing cycle, your admins will be demoted.
No refunds are available.
If you break the admin code of conduct, your admins will either be demoted or removed as under the Admin Conduct section.
After breaking code of conduct, you may or may not be eligible to purchase higher level admins, this is also at the discretion of the senate/community.

That being said, here are the available options:

Elemental Admin $15/month - Control the power of the four elements - Fire, Water, Wind, and Earth.
Includes:

• sm_burn
• sm_firebomb
• sm_freeze
• sm_freezebomb
• sm_blind
• sm_bury

Full Admin $25/month - Full access to all* commands.
* = Excluding sv_cheats, config/cvar editing and rcon access.
Includes: Every command from Elemental and

• sm_drug
• sm_slap
• sm_uberslap
• sm_gravity
• sm_beacon
• sm_resetkarma
• sm_resetta
• sm_resettk
• Voting Abilities
• Any non enumerated plugin rights

The aforementioned options will be available to any and all eligible admins. At the discretion of the senate/community, higher level admins may be given out without donation. These instances will be rare.

[jake]

In the last thread, you asked me what I meant about a management nightmare and the expectations.

Even if you do these changes once a month, it's going to be hell updating an admin list with all of the possible changes once every month.

And if you screw something up (which sadly seems to be Killa's forte ) do the people who were shorted get extra time added on?  Things like this are bound to happen.  When they do, it's going to make managing it even worse.  You almost need to hire a part time employee to just manage the admin list.

That's my big concern.  Also, as was mentioned by Jed, the prices are a little steep, and I'm glad to see you've removed the moving all admins down to deputy section.

However, here's a scenario to consider.  I have elemental admins or whatever it is that I have.  I keep my current admins when this plan goes into effect.  I donate $15 one month, then nothing next month.  Will I be demoted at that point because I donated one month and not the next.

A lot of my concerns would disappear (or get a LOT worse) if I knew who would be managing this whole thing.

[Labyrinthine]

I understand what you mean by managing this thing being a potential nightmare.

Yes, it would be Killa's responsibility. What I can do is make a spreadsheet detailing who has donated what and for how long they are supposed to have admins. Then Killa would just have to change it.

Shouldn't be too bad, just about 30 minutes each month.

Also, I will not consider partial dollar amounts, I will just round down. I also propose that donations only count towards that month. You donate $25 one month and $5 the next, that does not mean you end up with 2 months of elemental admins. So, admins will be calculated on a ONE month basis based on how much you have donated for THAT billing period.

I know it's not exactly fair, but if we don't work it like that, THAT'S where the management nightmare is going to come from. Managing it like that it involves a single calculation each month. Put that in a google spreadsheet and we're good as gold.

Provided we do screw up, we will tack on extra time or just an extra month.
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Yeah, prices are a little steep. I could easily deal with dropping things down to $10 and $20. That would also make calculating things 10x easier.

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There are only 7-8 current higher level admins. 5 are senate members and 3 are there for reasons other than donations. These will probably remain the way they are, senate members excluded. We should hammer how you want this policy to affect the senate now.

That effectively makes your scenario moot.

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I think that about covers it.

[jake]

As much as it seems like a ripoff, I agree with the monthly donation.  That's part of where the nightmare would come from.  And with Killa doing it...  We should make things as simple as possible for him.

Just make sure you donate XX every month.  If you need to, dump your lump sum donation into your paypal account so you have it delegated to a donation, then just make monthly donations from there.

Also, how are we on the different subscription amounts?

[The Grandfather]

Also, I will not consider partial dollar amounts, I will just round down. I also propose that donations only count towards that month. You donate $25 one month and $5 the next, that does not mean you end up with 2 months of elemental admins. So, admins will be calculated on a ONE month basis based on how much you have donated for THAT billing period.

Someone was asking about this lump sum. If a person donates $25 one month and comes through with the other five the following month he should retain those higher admins. These higher level admins are people that we talk to everyday. It should not be a problem for the donaters stating what their intentions are like that. No problem.

[Labyrinthine]

Then you get to deal with the partial calculations each month making sure to consider all their previous donations ever since we enacted this policy to make sure they get their money's worth.

I'd love to be nice to all the those who donate, but the logistics of doing that would be a nightmare.

If you're willing to tackle that, I'm fine with it.

[Jedakiah]

Also, I will not consider partial dollar amounts, I will just round down. I also propose that donations only count towards that month. You donate $25 one month and $5 the next, that does not mean you end up with 2 months of elemental admins. So, admins will be calculated on a ONE month basis based on how much you have donated for THAT billing period.

That's a scary notion to me that could easily bite you in the butt.  It encourages people to not donate until they have X amount of dollars.  Worse still it discourages from donating any surplus.  

The best way for this to work is for a person to pledged said amount for a few months in a row or pay for multiple months in advance.  And hopefully this guy plans to keep it up for a while.  It removes the management nightmare and helps us get steady donations.  

I also think that instances of promotion based on merit should not be rare.  If somebody is donating $10 and is an awesome admin they should still get elemental admins.  

Paying for upgraded admins should only be a guarantee that you will get them.  But you can still acquire them easily enough through merit and smaller donations.  Or at times even just merit.  Especially considering this policy change would encourage people to give what they can even if it's a smaller donation.

[jake]

I also think that instances of promotion based on merit should not be rare.  If somebody is donating $10 and is an awesome admin they should still get elemental admins.  

I agree.

I disagree, however, that this policy is going to increase revenue even the SLIGHTEST bit, but I hope I'm wrong.  And like someone else brought up, I see a huge clash between those who paid for admin, and those who have earned it.

I'm not a donater, but someone that has been in the community for a few months and HAS donated has the ability to ban me or other admins who have been with the community for a year or two at will.  That leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[weighted companion cube]

what about out current admins? do they even meet this criteria? how about holding the people who do not donate (that have admin) accountable before setting a price amount for the rest who already pay?

$175.37 = the amount we pay out to keep the server(s) up.  (i assume this is the pub and the private server)

so if you have 10 admins (and i know we have more than 10), then each admin should be paying out their fair share = ~$18

buuuuuut we have like what? 20 people with admin access? http://opggaming.com/forums/index.php/topic,28.0.html
so if 20 people pay a MINIMUM of $15 thats $300 a month? (minimum?)

this doesnt take into account those who fork out like 25 or more bones a month.  this doesnt take into account deadbeats who don't donate because they figure everyone who donates has it all taken care of.  i understand some people can't pay, and others can pay alot.

i've been digging trenches in 12 inches of hard clay for my irrigation all day, its like 100 f***ing degrees outside, i'm a bit irritable, sorry if anyone takes this the wrong way.

[Jedakiah]

Sir you probably need to do some non-speedreading because in no way will you be required to pay money to keep your current position. You could stop donating now and all you'd get is a sour look from Killa. 

[The Grandfather]

A sour look for sure. Like spioled milk that has curdled.

[weighted companion cube]

i'm just saying make it equal for everyone. and would there be a filter on who gets admin for paying for it? say...little johnny who just turned 11 and starts donating to the server, does he get admin?  or the general dickheads?  its not just a free-for-all is it?


edit:  my last post is assuming were looking for more money coming in.

[ikonoclast]

You need oPg cred first. Donations help, but it's not everything. Time in the server, time in vent and time on the forums = cred.

[Jedakiah]

You are not talking about the "high level admin policy".  You need to go here, read up, and vote. 

[logicaL!]

I still think that its kinda lame we are forced to buy admins to keep our current abilities.

Also:

At the discretion of the senate/community, higher level admins may be given out without donation. These instances will be rare.

Lets face it, this has never happened in basically the history of oPg, the only person outside of the Senate that has anything over Deputy Admins and hasn't donated more than $200 is DirrtyJ and he doesn't play that often anymore.