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« on: June 21, 2008, 03:03:02 PM »

Howdy,

I'm building a new system mainly because I got this new CPU for 60% off retail.  So I have the cpu, but nothing else.  I've built all my computers in the past but this time I'm too tired to dive and and do all the research on each and every company / component.

Known:
CPU:  Intel Core 2 Extreme QuadCore QX9650  (1333Mhz FSB)


The rest:
Motherboard:  Intending to get the X48 Chipset,  was looking at the DFI boards perhaps.  My FPB is only 1333 for this CPU, do i care about DDR3? (NO ASUS)
Graphics Card:  Nvidia GX2 (which company though? not going SLI in the future)
Memory:  2x 2GB sticks  (DDR2  or DDR3 ?  Which company?)
Powersuply:  ?  With this setup how much do i need?  1000W?  800W? I'd like a modular one so i can have fewer cords
HardDrive:  200ish GB SATA (staying with WD or Seagate, don't know which one yet, maybe a raptor for the 10k speed?)
OS:  Vista 64bit Ult (Yes it's slower, yes it has issues, but I want DX10, so I'm saying f*** it, windows 7 will suck too and will take 5 years to come out)
Case:  Not sure (but probably going to upgrade my current water cooling to a better system.  Probably a koolance case)


Notes:
- Spending a bit on all this stuff but not trying to get max max everything ever item.  Don't care about DDR3 if my FPB is running slower at 1333 and DDR3 doesn't help for gaming?
- I do care about noise, thats why I run water cooling.
- Mainly looking for Gaming Power (not serious rendering / video editing etc)
- Built two custom comps on ASUS boards and never again.  They get good reviews, have all the features but they suck in my opinion and I've always had random issues with them.

Thanks for any help people can offer.  I don't really want to have to think anymore.  Trying to order all the components by end of day Sunday.


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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2008, 04:10:37 PM »

It sounds like you know mostly exactly what you want but not sure exactly which brand to use.   There are a number of guys here like Jed and Laby that will know brand vs. brand which is best.

I build low end systems only now (For small servers and a computer for my son), and use Macs myself... So any advice I may have is not really fitting for what you're trying to build. 

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 04:28:18 PM »

Alrighty.

First off, price range is most important, so I'm just gonna assume anything basically.

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136048
DFI Board should be good. Although I prefer the Gigabyte boards for most other builds

Memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227287
Good DDR3 for your board (very affordable too).

Graphics Card:
I would wait for the 4870 X2, but I guess this will do.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150301

HD:
VelociRaptors are nice, but the Samsung Spinpoint F1 provides near the same prefomance for $120 less, with 3x more storage.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152102

OS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215

Case/PSU: 1200W ftw!
http://www.provantage.com/antec-p190~7ANTG04K.htm

Optical Drives:
Blu! (OK I know thats overkill but w/e).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136137

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 09:19:50 PM »

Labby I need your help tonight!  and jamo won't give me your cell number = (
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2008, 12:04:59 AM »

Tonight?

Err... This is no bueno.

Can do tomorrow. :\
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 01:39:57 AM »

whenever u can = d
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 12:33:11 PM »

I used to be able to crack out system recommendations easier than I could wake up in the morning. Alas, the market has changed greatly.

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I'll start w/ mobo's:
Nowadays it really depends on whether or not you want to rock DDR2 or DDR3 memory. DDR3 memory is not ready for mainstream, yet, so I suggest saving your money and rocking a stable DDR2 board.

The best DDR2 boards out there right now (as favored at Tom's Hardware and the general intarwebs) are the Gigabyte X48-DQ6 and the DFI Lanparty LT X48-T2R. I've built systems with both DFI and Gigabyte boards. From my experience Gigabyte boards are rock solid stable regardless of what you throw at them. The DFI boards can be a bit finnicky, but the performance potential is higher - especially for overclocking. Hands down the DFI boards are my favorite boards to OC on. If you plan on OCing, I'd suggest DFI; if you don't, I'd go with the Gigabyte.

If you want DDR3, the best few boards seem to be the Asus P5E3 Premium and the Intel DX48BT2

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Graphics Card: Picking a GPU is one of the easier tasks, considering the market turns over every 6 months. Only hard bit is the company. As far as nVidia goes, EVGA is the way to go. End of story.

Their cards are right next to the top of the line performance wise, their customer service is unrivaled and usually intelligent, and their stepup program is a big seller in the GPU industry.

If you go ATi, I can't help you much there. I haven't used an ATi card in over 6 years, so I'm not up to speed in that department.

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Memory: As I already said, DDR3 costs way too much and delivers far too little for the price increase. Stick with DDR2 unless you really, really want DDR3.

DDR2-800 or DDR2-1066 seem to be the best options right now. Company/make will make very little difference overall, but I'd stick with Corsair or OCZ for the Gigabyte board and then g.Skill for the DFI board.

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HD: I've tried who knows how many different RAID and single drive setups with 10k, 15k, and 7k drives. In the end, I've come to like the following:

OS installed on a small (35gb) raptor with everything big and clunky stored on a different, larger SATA drive. 10k raptor for the small drive, and then something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148262 for the larger SATA. (That's my favorite bang-for-the-buck drive, BTW)

If you want maximum speed, run 2 raptors in RAID 0. Beware though, while this may be hellishly fast, it's also hellishly unstable. If I crashed even once the whole partition was likely to be FUBARed. (I got really, really good at reinstalling windows)

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OS: Up to you really.

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Case: EFFFF I really, really, really wish I could remember the name of the watercooling company I had always wanted to go through. I became obsessed with noise for about 3 months last year and did an ungodly amount of research into water cooling. I'll text a few friends and see if I can get that name before the end of the day.

Koolance is an okay, no-nonsense setup, but there are a few better. I personally wanted to run XYZ from aforementioned mystery company in a Thermaltake case. If you do run a 3rd party water setup, I'd sport a thermaltake case. By far my favorite cases.

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PSU: Don't look at the Wattage so much as you do the Amperage. If you post the GPU you want to get, I can make some good recommendations for PSUs. Most people get duped into buying 1500W PSUs which are shitty and just make their ePeen feel bigger. I've never had to put more than a 750W PSU into a system and I've never had any problems.

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Hopefully that answers some questions. I know I haven't done this in a while, so things may not be quite as solid as they used to be.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 07:55:44 AM »

I'd stick with Corsair or OCZ for the Gigabyte board and then g.Skill for the DFI board.
DFI recommends almost all Corsair RAM for their boards.  If they're cheaper...

I know, which is why I ran corsair for almost a year with my DFI board. Although, there was a movement a year ago to move to g.Skill RAM because you could OC that stuff to hell and back. Dunno if it's still the same way, but that's been my experience with DFI boards.

OS installed on a small (35gb) raptor with everything big and clunky stored on a different, larger SATA drive. 10k raptor for the small drive
I would not do that with ultimate.  I have a stripped down install that takes over 20GB of space.  If you install any of the extra ultimate features you'd probably push well over the 30GB of formatted space. 
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Geez

Having never installed vista nor given it a 2nd look, I had no clue Vista took up so much space. 30gb? Another reason I'll never use Vista if I can help it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2008, 10:22:14 AM »

No it doesn't take 30GB wtf are you talking about Jed? A Vista DVD is only ~2.7GB, so therefore the max uncompressed it could be is like 7GB. Not near 30GB.

Laby, Vista isn't bad, I've run it for a while on a few different machines and it works perfectly. Don't let those people who've had problems (who are few and far between) get you down. Sure it takes up some more RAM (but if you have 4GB whats 300MB of RAM?)
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 10:25:58 AM »

Vista isn't terrible.. It is bloated though.

Once you've turned off all the annoying features it is usable.  Especially if you want DX10.  I don't recall my Vista install taking up 30gb.. but I think it is at least 8gb. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2008, 10:53:15 AM »

Vista isn't terrible.. It is bloated though.

Once you've turned off all the annoying features it is usable.  Especially if you want DX10.  I don't recall my Vista install taking up 30gb.. but I think it is at least 8gb. 
That was my bad, it is currently at 19GB on my disk.  I have not installed many of the extra features the ultimate has.  I don't remember their names but they resemble Plus! from back in the day.  30ishGB of formatted space doesn't leave me enough comfort room when installing Ultimate.  Especially when it's "minimum requirement" is 40.  If you moved your program files to your big hard drive it would work, but thatt almost defeats the whole point. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2008, 12:41:04 PM »

No it doesn't take 30GB wtf are you talking about Jed? A Vista DVD is only ~2.7GB, so therefore the max uncompressed it could be is like 7GB. Not near 30GB.

Laby, Vista isn't bad, I've run it for a while on a few different machines and it works perfectly. Don't let those people who've had problems (who are few and far between) get you down. Sure it takes up some more RAM (but if you have 4GB whats 300MB of RAM?)

My biggest problem with Vista, and the reason I uninstalled it without giving it a chance really only has to do with drivers.  Like most people, I have speakers and headphones on my computer.  The REALTEK drivers would allow EITHER headphones OR speakers, not both at once.  In order to switch between them, I'd have to unplug one or the other.

Just turrible.  That was a big enough deal for me to remove it from my gaming machine.

I removed it from my work machine because it is bloated and slowed a powerful quad core machine nearly to a crawl.
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2008, 05:26:08 PM »

No it doesn't take 30GB wtf are you talking about Jed? A Vista DVD is only ~2.7GB, so therefore the max uncompressed it could be is like 7GB. Not near 30GB.

Laby, Vista isn't bad, I've run it for a while on a few different machines and it works perfectly. Don't let those people who've had problems (who are few and far between) get you down. Sure it takes up some more RAM (but if you have 4GB whats 300MB of RAM?)

My biggest problem with Vista, and the reason I uninstalled it without giving it a chance really only has to do with drivers.  Like most people, I have speakers and headphones on my computer.  The REALTEK drivers would allow EITHER headphones OR speakers, not both at once.  In order to switch between them, I'd have to unplug one or the other.

Just turrible.  That was a big enough deal for me to remove it from my gaming machine.

I removed it from my work machine because it is bloated and slowed a powerful quad core machine nearly to a crawl.
I have a solution for your drivers problem. Don't use Realtek onboard sound! Grab a Audigy/X-Fi series card that has the front I/O panel and that should fix the problem Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2008, 08:47:24 PM »

Yes, I understand that.  I shouldn't have to replace hardware for something that works perfectly well in XP just to get the same level of functionality in Vista.  This is my main gripe, at least about this particular portion of Vista.
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