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« on: September 16, 2008, 07:34:25 PM »

Since the discussion in the other thread got a bit tangled I decided to create an official thread. I'll leave the starting topic to whomever posts first.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 07:35:13 PM »

that trump guy needs to shave the head. begin.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 07:35:28 PM »

tangled u mean PWNTTT
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 08:09:36 PM »

VOTE REPUBLCAN OR MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!!!!!! Cactuar left
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 08:37:19 PM »

Palin is about as smart as the shit that comes out of Frosty's ass.
I've never talked to frosty's shit, but I'm pretty sure his shit isn't very smart.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 09:23:01 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 09:29:28 AM »

Alright since this already has been derailed here's a discussion point.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/obama-picks-up-about-9-million-in-hollywood/13179

Obama goes to Hollywood and makes a cool 9 million at a $28,500 (per plate) dinner fundraiser with celebrities. Yet earlier in the day he said this.

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Earlier in the day, the Democratic presidential candidate spoke about the public's deepening economic anxieties and portrayed Republican challenger John McCain as out of touch with the needs of hardworking people.


What? How is a $28,500 per plate dinner fundraiser in Hollywood in touch with hardworking people. $28k is more than a lot hardworking people make in a year...
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 09:59:34 AM »

You're taking the dinner out of context and twisting it to make a relatively weak point from an already weaker argument.

Just because Obama holds a fundraiser does not mean he is out of touch with hardworking people, especially when the dinner is marketed towards celebrities. Also, who is to say that celebrities or people with large amounts of money aren't hard working. You seem to take for granted that large amounts of money = you don't work hard. Unless the money was hereditary, often times the exact opposite is the case. They have to be doing something right or else people wouldn't give their money to them. Unless everyone with large amounts of money suddenly became unethical scam artists, I'd say they are working pretty hard.

Regardless, that's beside the point.

If you want to play selective readings from you article, try these on for size

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A night earlier, McCain was with deep-pocketed donors in Florida and raised $5 million, a fact noted by Obama's campaign.

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Obama is financing his presidential race with private contributions after abandoning a pledge to take public financing capped at $84 million... McCain accepted the $84 million in taxpayer funds allotted by the public financing system for the race.

Your argument fails to hold any water now. If you still want to argue against Obama, you would be hypocritical in support of the republican camp. The article, unlike you tried to twist it, does not offer any empirical proof that Obama is a hypocrite and McCain is better. Please find better commentary or at least commentary which you don't need to omit large portions of to make your point.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 10:05:05 AM »

i feel like there is no shame in being rich, or getting funds from the rich
barack obama wasn't born rich -- im pretty sure mccain was.
just because hollywood celebs choose to endorse him doesn't make him a bad person, or any less noble of one.

The bigger issue is not the verbiage bouncing back and forth between the candidates, but the facts.
mccain's lack of knowledge of the internets (and yes it is important, seeing as cyberwarfare, net neutrality etc etc are pertinent issues).
palin. (yes, no explanation necessary)
barack obama? experience?

McCain's passion has and will always be foreign policy -- what this entails is that in the chance of an election, McCain will focus on what he likes to do and let a Democratic-majority Congress run amok (good news if you're a democrat, not so much for republicans). Sadly though, the biggest problems facing America are really NOT foreign policy (tumbling economy, foreclosures, social security, etc).

I can't guarantee anything, as I don't know Obama firsthand. His record doesn't show any exceptional experience - true. But we all know, Bush didn't know SHIT and he was too conceited to take any advice from anyone other than his hardcore conservative advisors. I have a feeling that even if Obama turns out to be very green, he wouldn't hesitate to swallow his pride and do the most logical thing: swallow his pride.

Just my two cents before i get on my plane for college.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 11:12:57 AM »

Palin is about as smart as the shit that comes out of Frosty's ass.
I've never talked to frosty's shit, but I'm pretty sure his shit isn't very smart.

that is a sexist reference to the fine food chain Wendy's.
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 11:52:40 AM »

Since the discussion in the other thread got a bit tangled I decided to create an official thread. I'll leave the starting topic to whomever posts first.

not sure what was so tangled about the other thread.. unless by tangled you mean powdered and etc's constantly coming back with something to say about your statements.
 
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 12:01:45 PM »

tangled = logical is losing
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thats what she said


« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 12:07:16 PM »

tangled = logical is losing

i wouldnt really say there is a loser, but to quote Randy Pausch
'Have something to bring to the table because it will make you more welcome'

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 12:09:12 PM »

Since the discussion in the other thread got a bit tangled I decided to create an official thread. I'll leave the starting topic to whomever posts first.


not sure what was so tangled about the other thread.. unless by tangled you mean powdered and etc's constantly coming back with something to say about your statements.
 

Also with the tangled = I am losing. I made a vaild point about Powdered wanting us in a depression. Then all of a sudden Emma and Mongoose were like thats not what he said (even though I would assume the word exactly means agreement).

McCain wasn't born rich, that came mostly from his wife.

From the context of hardworking people I would assume that means who Obama's supposedly running for (i.e. Middle class). I know fundraising is a big part of a campaign. But instead of getting all his money from celebrities, why doesn't he go town to town holding dinners where its $20 a plate and getting hundreds of people to help him out rather than just get everything handed to him (on a literal) silver platter? That could be a huge boost for his campaign, yet he doesn't go out and do anything.

Alright what about this then. There have been reports from Iraq's that Obama had a discussion with the Foreign Minister trying to delay a withdrawl of troops. Which... of course Obama has denied. What do you guys think of this.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hi9TDNHvuBZpFsO8ZbiFYsnbIl3A



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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 12:11:37 PM »

ah. a seriously conversation on the internet.

i think its one thing ive learned visiting these forums over the past couple years, is that there really is no thread that is serious. someone always manages to post a stupid remark and then it goes in a different direction.

having a conversation about politics on these forums is like saying you dont wanna ride jaminz down persy's stairs.
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